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Spock the Socialist by Conservatoons Spock the Socialist by Conservatoons
Why Spock, why? Maybe Spock mind-melded with too many Liberal nutters. Alas.

Elections matter.
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oblivionartcraft132 Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014
Ugh, still comparing communism with socialism, here's a link of their differences [Link] , and take a good look at the part when it says about "Economic system" in socialism, people still gets paid under how hard you work, in communism, people still gets paid regardless if they're lazy or not.
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DBEEERS Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2014
Love it!
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Jmoc1 Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2013
Um… Isn't Star Trek based in a future where the Federation is a socialist state with no money and the idea that everyone is tolerant?
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ninjawerr Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2014  Professional Writer
You got the tolerance right, however money and social classes do exist in the federation, they're just not visible from a military perspective. Hence creating the illusion that it is a socialist state. In reality their currency is the same as the currency of the frengi, and in the most recent Star Trek movies you will see Kirk tipping the bartender hence breaking the illusion. 

I'm sorry but the Federation is not socialist, but the Romulans are.
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Conservatoons Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2013
Socialists want to think so.   Excellence is impossible to achieve w/ socialism though.
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RTJDudek Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
:iconjmoc1: is mere idiot, unable to stand criticism of his beloved socialism -  have a look at proof of his stupidity comments.deviantart.com/1/2021…
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Jmoc1 Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013
And why is that?
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Conservatoons Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013
Explore what is incentivized under Socialism and what is penalized.
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Jmoc1 Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013
Under socialism, which is an idea that workers are able to democratically control a workplace, the main incentives are the advancement of the basic humanistic rights such as property, life, and freedom from oppression. In such ways the basic functions of the community are regulated through the government which is a democratically elected body. Under socialism everyone is able to own property including their own house, vehicles, and even entertainment systems. The only improbable actions, which presents a danger within socialism, is the underlying issue of amoral humans. In that sense, as Einstein pointed out in "Why Socialism?", the educational systems within a socialistic society must be orientated towards social goals such as the freedom to marry, religious freedoms, and tolerance of other races.

In no way is socialism about total government control and does not penalize anyone for their talents. The only down side to a socialistic society are the taxes to maintain basic human rights and functions; such as roads, health care, and education.


Does that answer your question?

Also I find it ironic that you base your image off a notoriously socialist program such as Star Trek. Did you know that Roddenberry was a socialist?
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Conservatoons Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2013
No.  It demonstrates how little you understand reality.

Men are not angels.  Never will be.  And all must be for socialism to work.

Socialism rewards sloth, penalizes excellence and is guaranteed to produce less than mediocrity.  It strives to assure equal results not equal opportunity.

no hippies please.
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Jmoc1 Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2013
Is your answer for everything hippies? Was Einstein a hippie? How about MLK? FDR? Shall I also mention Eugene Debs? These were hard working people who wanted to do the best thing for this country. They believed in a society that had equal opportunity. To believe that they requested equal achievements is a clear and idiotic notion to harbor. Yes men aren't angels, but even men (and women) must rise above themselves to achieve great things. If everyone sat by while injustice continued in this world, we be no different than the devil.

So go ahead, blame socialists for your problems. Write them off as nonexistent. But never insult us for your reality, or lack there of.
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Conservatoons Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2013
Socialist do not acknowledge reality.  I thought I was clear on this.

Socialists try to legislate equal results.  Equal opportunity is not good enough for them.   

Example:   Socialism.  Everyone should make $50K/yr.  (a "living" wage)

But I can only work part time.  $50K/yr. 
I work 80 hrs/wk. $50K/yr. 
I can't work at all. $50K/yr. 
I am a janitor.  $50K/yr. 
I am a doctor.  $50K/yr. 
I am a software engineer.  $50K/yr. 
I manage 5000 employees. $50K/yr. 
I can work but choose not to.   $50K/yr. 
I wrote 5 hit songs.  $50K/yr. 
I whittle yo-yos.  $50K/yr. 
I am an addict. $50K/yr. 
I invented a money saving engine.  $50K/yr. 

I work for government.   Unlimited Income/ Not questioned.

In US, generally speaking, if you work hard, pass tests, have the aptitude and persevere you can achieve your goals and be compensated for your efforts.

You cannot achieve great things if mediocrity is your goal.    Under socialism when a man prospers he is demonized and his wealth taken from him.  It excuses the lazy and hobbles the industrious.   Why work hard if you are just another numbered cog in the collective? 

Socialists are everyone's problem.  They steal by govt proxy.  They are sanctimonious, inept dogooders.  They suck the rewards from every achievement and then dole out unearned rewards to the laziest among us. 

Note to Socialists:  Be generous with your own time and money - not with your neighbors'

no hippies please.
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L33tl3boy Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013
Because you have shit between ears.
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Alpha-12 Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2013
Something tells me the Star Trek writers might be libertarian:
*Those torpedoes and the people stored inside them (as well as the fact Spock mentions it's technically illegal) are a reference to drone strikes.
*Admiral Marcus's militarization is criticized.
*Star Fleet is explicitly defensive.
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Conservatoons Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2013
You are over-thinking the toon.  You must be part Vulcan.
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Alpha-12 Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2013
Impossible, I express emotion on a daily basis. Spock can't even comprehend why Kirk is angry for him going behind his back and telling Pike.
Spock would find ObamaCare illogical given the excessive paperwork only he can comprehend (and he'd probably death-grip whoever wrote it after reading it since it's logical). Fun fact: Switzerland has the best health care system in the world, on top of their semi-automatics.
Look at Star Trek: StarFleet's mission, in addition to defense of the Federation, is exploration, which is basically recon. They're the only branch of the Federation's central government really mentioned, and they actually make efficient use of tax dollars (or whatever Trekkies use for cash).
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Belleau-Wood Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2013
LOL
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aaaaceace Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2013
The Federation is a socialistic society, they have no money, no one needs to work, and they have no real economy. People do what they do because they wish too better themselves, society, and make the universe a better place to live. Its the emotional and greedy Ferangi who believe in capitalism you idiot. 
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Conservatoons Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013
Spock has infected you too.

no hippies please.
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aaaaceace Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2013
Yes he has infected me with logic and comman sense. Besides the reason we have capitalism instead of socialism, is not because capitalism is somehow better than socialism it is because of human error. We are a flawed race, we can be greedy, selfish, lazy, and overly emotional about everything, and all moderate capitalism does is to help stop anyone group of people from becoming too powerful. Of course pure capitalism does not accomplish that, just look at the history of the British East India Trading Company, but a balance between socialism and capitalism works best, at the moment. Of course your puny, emotionally driven, nerve stem can not comprehend the idea that such different view points of the world actually work best when working too gather.
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Conservatoons Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013
Truly you are infected.  Socialism fails everywhere it is tried.
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aaaaceace Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013
Fuck you idiot. Fuck you. 
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Conservatoons Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2013
Stay classy.

no hippies please.
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aaaaceace Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2013
I'll start being classy when you earn some respect and actually have an argument to say instead of just spraying bullshit.
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Conservatoons Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013
no hippies please. 
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Jester-of-the-Clown Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Because, apparently, a give for an equal take is too vile a concept for anybody to be party to...
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ninjawerr Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2013  Professional Writer

You know nothing then, its the borg who are socalist have no need to work and no real econimy, while the federation is Capitalist, Has a booming econimy, and 0.1% unenploymemt, the ferangi take capitalisum to extreams anough that they are not captalist but a Buricratic/Anarcitic mix.

 

No Non-trekies Please

 

No Hippies Please  

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aaaaceace Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2013

You are a fool if you think the Federation is capitalism. One of the biggest things about Star Trek is that the people of the future want for nothing, they don't need capitalism anymore because technology has risen too the point where money has become obsolete. They even have an episode about this on Next Generation where they find a stock broker frozen in space and Picard has to him explain that money is no longer a driving force in society and that the desire to improve one self and society has replaced it. And yes the ferangi have taken capitalism to the extreme, that's the whole point of them being in the show, to demenstrate the evil's and insanity of a pure capitalist system.

 

So please no Non-trekies.

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ninjawerr Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2013  Professional Writer
The Couldent have been socalist for then there would be no aliences between the frengi and the klingons, Besides the story would not be here today if that were so for it permered in the breaff aftermanth of the red scare, so we would have not made it this far into the story if what you say is true.

No non-Teckies Please 

No hippys please 
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aaaaceace Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2013
You are an idiot. Yes technically the creators called it "The new world economy" to keep morons like you quiet but it was still socialism. And why would the federation being socialist stop them from having ally with the frengi or the klingons? We were allied with the Soviet Union during WWII and they were communist, which is not socialism but you probably can not understand how.
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ninjawerr Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2013  Professional Writer

Star treck first premiered During the united states cold war while we were enemy's with the soviets. So that pretty much undermines your entire argument seeing as the institution of labor camps is socialism, and hero of socialism is Is a title Given to heros of that country.

 

Also there is a Klingon Ethnic principal that makes them enemys of socalisum.

So my friend Read up, Pay attention in school, Actualy watch some star treck and then we will talk.

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aaaaceace Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2013
What a terribale argument, obviously you have no idea what socialism is. First the cold war is why Star Trek had to call the economy of the Federation the New World Economy instead of socialism, so that part of your argument proves nothing except that idiots like you don't like what you think is socialism (also the USSR was a communist country not a socialist one). Secondly true socialism would not end in labor camps, if it does then someone isn't doing it right. Third, what does the title of Hero of Socialism have to do with anything? Also you got the title wrong, it was "Hero of Socialist Labor" proving once more you are an idiot. Third what klingon principal would make them the enemy of socialism? And on top of that we weren't even talking about the Klingon Empire, we were talking about the Federation. 

Now I know this is a lot to ask from an idiot like yourself, but please try to make sure to stay on topic and actually take some time to read about what you are arguing about. 

And if you can't then shut up and stop filling the internet with even more stupid.   
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ninjawerr Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2013  Professional Writer

Read History, Then call me an idiot, And your right there is truth in lies. but the federation would be ally's with the Borg if what you say about them is true and that is clearly not the case.

The Klingon principal is Path the way so that one may help themselves, in that knowledge they conciter a socalist or Comunist society dishonorable in that manner and worthy of extermination. and you don't see that hapining ever. Exept for the farming of kirk, were he was later found innocent. 

 

And I would say the same to you or is your mind to clouded with the effects of husigens for what are you reading the works of marks?  

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BluefoxP Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That is what Gene wanted, but not all Trekies agree, Amarillo Design Bureau and FASA panted a different picture of the Federation as an Economic Power Hose and as Simi-Capitalist/Socialism system.

But then again how would you know...
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aaaaceace Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2013
en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Unite…

There's the link that proves the federation was socialism. Now they did call it the New World Economy, but that was only too keep idiotic conservatives quit.
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bttlrp Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2013
Why would you have to die young under socialism?
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Conservatoons Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2013
This goes over the head of socialists.
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bttlrp Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2013
It does, tell me more
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Conservatoons Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2013
see my FAQs
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Skorpion66 Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2013  Student Interface Designer
Funny enough, Socialism has kept my country somewhat afloat and right-winged governments have plunged it into economic and social crises.
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Conservatoons Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2013
Bulgaria? No. Rightwing capitalism i.e. small govt has never been a problem there. You have a misunderstanding about political systems.

[link]
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Skorpion66 Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2013  Student Interface Designer
And what would my misunderstanding be?
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Conservatoons Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2013
If you cant read a simple diagram I cannot help.
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Skorpion66 Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2013  Student Interface Designer
I did read the diagram. It would seem that it applies to the USA left/right though.
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Passin Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2013
Not socialism, but who expects honesty from the American right?
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jgraham1993 Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013
yes it is
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Passin Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013
Nothing like socialism. Try UNDERSTANDING what you're talking about
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ninjawerr Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2013  Professional Writer
I think it is you who has failed to understaind.
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Passin Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2013
I failed to understand that he has lied about socialism?
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